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All Over Now

All over now

All the trimmings, the tree, the extras, that make Christmas festivities have all gone now, cleared, up, boxed away and put in the cellar. Coming from a family with great Christmas traditions, and with a wife with similar traditions, its always a sad day, one which above all set you up for the coming trials and tribulations for family and friends alike. Being at the age where planning for the future tends not to be a priority, I now reflect on what might be for those I care most for.

Villa of course come into that category, and yesterdays defeat in a way was the 12th night in Villa's season.

Whilst I agree we gave as good as we got until Rooney appeared I was disappointed that after all the progress made following the Arsenal defeat, the team retreated into their old 10 men behind the ball hoof it to Carew tactic.As the commentator said before half time, that's the 52 time its been hoofed forward and come straight back, where's the options.

Truth be told there aren't any.

Added I thought Carew. looked, unfit, ill even, certainly not up for it and against 2 of the best CB's in Europe what else was he expected to do. Credit to the midfield, Coker, Petrov, and Barry all did their job, the defence did its best, how Knight has kept Davies out still confuses me. Thing was every time the ball was gained it tended to be passed back to our keeper to hoof forward.

Petrov give him credit, tried to break beyond their midfield and put balls to feet, Barry on occasion tried the sharp 1-2, Carew just couldn't hold it up, which considering the number of full games he's had recently, wasn't surprising.

Coker tried 3 times to run deep, stopped once and the other two he just looked around to see everyone but Carew behind him defending.Young, again, had a poor game against better opposition which limits the side.

Laursen, Davies did superbly until Mellberg was out of position, Davies nutmegged and Utd scored as Bouma stood ball watching.But the best winger in World football, had been held on a tight rope all
day so who am I to criticise one small indiscretion.

I don't understand tactics that put 10 men behind the ball in a one off cup competition, especially at home, especially when your last few games have been creditable on the back of attacking football.That sort of tactic would not have won through at Chelsea, Blackburn, Wigan or against Spurs twice.Yes fatigue had its place in the calculation, but then when 4 million strikers don't make the bench and unfit , unwell ones are first picks, is it surprising, in a squad as small as ours.

I loudly criticised O'Leary when we finished 6th for then spending on Baros and not on improving the squads over all strength, the same applied before this summers exits came about, they are just as important now as then, especially when so many transfers rarely get a look in.

We won't get relegated, we won't qualify for the European cup, we have been knocked out of both cup competitions very early on, what is there left, is there a need to buy in January.

Simply yes, the way O'Neill trades any buy at any time is a bonus, especially if as with Coker, Davies, and Young it occasionally works, but to consider spending now to gain anything other than a weak chance of lower European qualification is for me pointless.

Now it has to be about next season and blooding players to hit the ground running next time out, to see if the 4 million on Harewood was worth it, to see if Maloney can come good, to find a decent replacement for the alienated Sorensen, to find a real right back.

Disappointed with the result certainly, but more upset with the way it came about.

So much good work over the last 2 months such a let down.




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The Journalist

Writer: avfc48 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Sunday January 6 2008

Time: 6:06PM

Your Comments

Was honestly sorry to hear you lost the Manc FA Cup game..was SO feckin hoping you lot would send em on their way...always next year I guess.
Blue is the colour
Those of us In the stadium can't hear what the commentators say. In the stadium we can see the progress being made, and the improvements in the players' performances - like Davies and Petrov. Going to Villa Park week in week out we are also aware that we have a genuine chance for UEFA cup qualification. We also can see that Man Utd are a class above us, and the FA cup was unlikely to be coming home to VP this year. So whilst yesterday was disappointing, it was hardly the "end of our season". Tell me AVFC48 - i was at the stadium yesterday. Where were you? In fact, when are you ever anything other than an armchair fan that irritates?
The Usual Suspect
He has gone down for more years than most, he lives a long enough way off now that he can't get to every game and has other committments + isn't always in the best of health. I hate this thing about only us who go to every game are real fans or entitled to an opinion.
The Fear
Omg you must be the most negative writer on the planet. Unless you are on crack or have been in a closet for the last 98 years you would realise that we are 7th, joint on points with 6th in the league and have a mojor advantage over team like pompey n everton due to the fact we dont lose any players to the ACON. I think we have an excelent chance of qualifying for europe!
villavillavilla
Agree with The Fear, how many of us can claim to have been at VP cheering on Pongo! In reality I understand what AVFC48 is saying, We could have gone out and played good attacking football like we have recently, we didn't, that was a limp wristed effort, I see what MON was trying to do, but Carew was not up to speed and should not have been on the park. It's OK holding strong like we did and then hitting on the counter like we didn't, but it was also pointed out that fatigue had something to do with this match, it did, and not just for our team, along with the late kickoff it was never going to be a stormer. So qualification through the league it is then, and that is something we are capable of.
steff_the_villan
Thanks Fear... I first head of the villa as a kid aged 5 when a mate found an old villa tracksuit that was during the cup winning year and we were both like, ASTON VILLA, who are they? Then I lived in sutton coldfield from the age of 8 and lived opposite David Platt and down the road from Tony Daley. It was then that i started to support the villa and have been there thick and thin with all the stick that a northerner gets as a supporter of a midlands team that do crap. I'm restricted by distance, health and finances but i read every article i can find worth reading about villa. My life seems to be consumed by the club and it really irks me to feel like i'm less of a supporter than those of you fortunate to visit every game. I'm sure there are many out there who are in my position also.
johnnyuk
Forgot to add my comments to the article; as always avfc48 i find your article has some elements of truth and i like that, but it's still littered with a lot of negativity. Who's to say we wont qualify for europe or that his transfers are flukes? He was the one who took gambles and occasionally gets it wrong. It feels like unless he's done everything you want him to at the times you want it, he'll never be right. What's the guy to do?
johnnyuk
tbh mr fear its avfc48's needless negativity that bores me to death. i'm not saying he isn't a real fan - its just he's never at the matches and claims to know more than the fans that do go and he constantly slates the management that are doing a fine job, without offering any real alternative. I can also remember how sad he was at Mr ellis's departure and i have no respect for that attitude.
The Usual Suspect
"As the commentator said before half time." Come on, it was on TV, why quote the BBC's biased crappy commentator's when you could see for yourself. We now only have 17 games left this season and with the size of our squad that is probably about right. Everyone was tired yesterday. If we get another 25 odd points (only about 9 wins) then previous seasons dictate that we should qualify for Europe. We were never going to win the FA cup and it has only gone to anyone outside the top 4 twice in the last 19 years!! Absolute self obsessed drivel talking about yourself yet again like you have a terminal disease and you blame the whole world for it (especially MON.) The World Class multi tens of millions Manure put out their full team bar Tevez and have only lost to 3 teams this season all whilst having major players out injured. (Carew was only half fit also.)
Villan444
Had to log in. Well done Villain444, it seems that we are not allowed to be negative about articles because The Fear likes to vouch for 48. It's the reason why i haven't logged in for over a year. I'm sick to the back teeth of going to matches with my best mate and coming back to see the harbinger of doom has been given top spot for an article with Mr Guardian Angel telling us all off if we disagree. Mr Fear should be happy that there are those of us who are vociferous and care so much about Villa that we take time out of our day to post on this site...or perhaps we should keep schtum and do nothing? What a lovely, boring, depressing, lack of free speech site that would be eh? Answers on a post to: DON'T KNOCK THE 48 OR I'LL COME OUT AND REPRIMAND YOU BECAUSE I'M THE EDITOR.
koolbill
I think anyone who follows the villa are a fan and entitled to their viewpoint its just that the articles by avfc48 are just wrong on almost everything. Man Utd have the best defense in the prem and do not give you many options to score. When we played them in the league we went all out attack and conceded three goals in 10 minutes having scored first. We did look tired at times yesterday but in terms of the seasons objectives nothing has changed. We will i think qualify for Europe, and more importantly I think we would do well in european competition which tends to favour counter attacking teams. We need some players but I don't feel we are as far away form the top 4 as some people think and for me the progress made is there to see. I am fortunate enough to be able to go each week and these days it is a pleasure. In the last season of Ellis/Oleary it was for the most of the time painful, tedious, boring and it was only the social side of going to football and a love for the club which made it worthwhile.
daveldvilla
u can't read too much into saturday's game - we have an unrotating squad which has played many tough games recently. MON said himself in previous games he is surprised we found the energy to beat spurs and wigan. we looked tired against man utd and understandably so. to put it bluntly, i think this article is ****
ric112
I think that's a tad OTT, koolbill. JPF was only seeking to support a fellow Villa fan who, for various reasons, can't get to matches. I frequently and publicly disagree with '48, but he has to be able to post his views or this really will be a site without free speech. Having supported avfc48's right to air his views, I too would disagree with his negativity about MON and our season already being finished. It may well be that we don't make it to the European spots, but neither '48 nor anyone else can say that yet. As for the game yesterday, how many teams - and some of them the top teams in the world - would be ashamed to lose to this United team? We're still very much a work in progress, but I personally believe we're moving in the right direction and am prepared to wait and see. UTV!
BobTheBuilder
so basically everybody thinks avfc48 is wrong, but Mr Fear correctly reminds us he is entitled to be completely wrong all the time, just as we are entitled to point out his wrongness. All very PC. myself, i think avfc48's a bit of a floater.
The Usual Suspect
actually i take that last bit back - i went too far. Sorry avfc48, you're not a floater. you're just miserable.
The Usual Suspect
Although the guy ('48) is usually more depressing than listening to a Leonard Cohen album, he does raise some valid concerns and observations for once. Important month January, the actions of MON in the transfer market will dictate whether we are serious contenders for a top six spot, or will once again finish amongst the also rans.
glensider
avfc48 only ever posts an article when villa bloody lose which has not been a lot this season so thats about six articles, luckily!
krisvilla
AV48-I challenge you to write an article after we've won a match, which we have been doing. We lost to one of the best teams in the world and we did make them work a lot harder than they have to against most other squads-no shame in that. I wonder why you bother watching, to be honest.
gwyllum18
I actually think all that 48's trying to say here is that he feels a bit let down with the tactics against ManU, and that we could have put less men behind the ball and tried to go down fighting. I actually agree - in the first 20 mins or so we did seem to have more of a go, and we had some chances, and had them on the back foot to some extent. I do think with only Saha upfront at this point, was probably our best chance to beat them. Having said that though, I also agree that we looked tired, and I think another colossal performance was just out of our reach this time after recent exertions. We clearly tired, and Sir Fergie obviously saw this too - sending on Hargreaves and Rooney to take us to pieces in the last 10 minutes. What an option to have on your bench, and one that we don't have, and wouldn't expect to at this stage. We matched ManU for 80 minutes - not bad eh? We should be proud, and whilst I think there are some valid points in this article, I think it's just the constant sniping and 'have a go' attitude which bugs the majority of supporters. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, granted - but do we really need such constant negativity? The team is clearly on the up, which is all we can hope for. If anything we've probably over-achieved this season, and raised people's expectations to unreasonable levels. A realistic expectation has to be to try to grab 6th or 7th place, and hope that's enough for UEFA qualification. Even if we don't make it this year, the signs are positive. Having said that, I do think that if we don't make signings now, we may miss a chance to push on - there is undoubtedly some real quality out there that's available for purchase & it would be a real shame if we miss a solid opportunity to improve further.
YatesyVillain
One fundamental point that the article is missing - Man Utd ALSO played for 90 minutes with ten men behind the ball. As far as the "hoof it upfield" brigade - would you rather see us trying to knock the ball around and work it out from the back against a team as well-drilled as Utd? To be honest, I think our players played well, and as I've mentioned on a few boards recently, Scott Carson is not a good enough goalkeeper....... a top-class keeper could have saved at least one of those two Utd goals.......
gmvillan
Personally speaking i think the club is on the up. I am very satisfied with the progress MoN has made so far and at this stage I don't believe we could realistically expect anything more.
andrew144
Those who say I never write positive articles should see the slagging I got for doing just that after the Chelsea and Wigan games. As to being not as good a fan as some of you think you are OK, not my problem, I know how good a fan I am. As to saying we wouldn't qualify for Europe I didn't, I said we wouldn't qualify for the European Cup, we won't. Thanks to those who took the time to at least try and appreciate what I was getting at, those who obviously didn't get past their first thought of insult, just keep your heads up your arses I'm sure everything will be ok. Point is we took on the best and gave as good as we got, better in my view against Chelsea, Wigan and Spurs. Against Utd, a team Coventry beat using attacking football, we went back to old failed tactics and defended. If you are genuinely looking for negativity not perpetuating this O'Neill can do no wrong and God help anyone who says he does, philosophy, look at our tactics against Utd. Sure we might have snatched a win, but without a fit Carew what chance there was of that was slim. I am not saying we haven't progressed this season we have, we haven't had the type of injuries to test a squad either, mind. We could have beaten Utd, with a more positive frame of mind, is all, Utd setup showed they thought so. As to the transfers, we desperately need players but does it really matter whether we finish 6th or 11th. Perhaps following my philosophy we would see if Harewood is any good, if Maloney can sustain a run, if Sorensen or Taylor should be discounted so early, if our manager can devise something other than his fall back strategy
avfc48
I think we should have tried to play our normal game what's the point in having ten men behind the ball and just waiting for the inevitable. I am pleased with the progress this season i think we are about three good player's off quite a spiffing side. utv
chris the villan
So 48 you are saying that we should have used a positive frame of mind to win as Carew was injured and you haven't offered the tactical setup you would suggest?? Agreed that Maloney should get a chance but I think that Harewood has already proved that he isn't any good. You did make a couple of good points RE: long ball tactics etc. and agreed that recent posts have been positive. But the doom and gloom after losing 1 game to the champions with their full team out ( and only in the last 10 mins)was way OTT. The European Cup does not exist, it is either the Uefa or the Champions League so your writing this along with the title "ALL OVER NOW" has understandably provoked the response it did.
Villan444
TBH i think avfc48 enjoys being controversial. Its the only way he can get people to read his s**te articles.
The Usual Suspect
You reap what you sow '48, just remember that next time you rudely or arrogantly respond to a fellow member, or twist his words to set you up for another assault on someone's opinion.
glensider
i like this notion that our season hinged on winning the fa cup and getting into the Champions League!!! Avfc48 is more delusional than most Spurs fans, and thats saying something. We have never played in the Champions League, and haven't won the fa cup since 57, so since when were those two ambitions our aims for this season? Who ever said or thought we realistically had a chance of either? So according to you, by not acheiving what was realistically unacheivable this season is a failure? What a muppet. We are improving. And if we get into the UEFA that is a massive improvement and a large step forward. You simply don't know what you're on about.
The Usual Suspect
"just keep your heads up your arses"?!? Who do you think you are communicating with mate?! - Everyone did read the article 48...and they chose to comment...how come you never listen? You are simply to busy reading your own articles and perpetuating the myth that anyone who disagrees with you is a "ONeill can do no wrong" type of person - thereby making us out to be the ones with tunnel vision when clearly, it is YOU. Comparisons should bemade with our ever increasing gates, the fact that Liverpool have spent so much more but done so little better - which blows the theory of spending equals winning. As nearly everyone says: you can make some useful points but you are duller and more depressing and half as factually based than an Eastenders Christmas Special!!!! I honestly believe you support Rangers and don't like MONs Cletic links. Cue the Guardian Angel to help you out....
koolbill
 

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