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All over now

All the trimmings, the tree, the extras, that make Christmas festivities have all gone now, cleared, up, boxed away and put in the cellar. Coming from a family with great Christmas traditions, and with a wife with similar traditions, its always a sad day, one which above all set you up for the coming trials and tribulations for family and friends alike. Being at the age where planning for the future tends not to be a priority, I now reflect on what might be for those I care most for.

Villa of course come into that category, and yesterdays defeat in a way was the 12th night in Villa's season.

Whilst I agree we gave as good as we got until Rooney appeared I was disappointed that after all the progress made following the Arsenal defeat, the team retreated into their old 10 men behind the ball hoof it to Carew tactic.As the commentator said before half time, that's the 52 time its been hoofed forward and come straight back, where's the options.

Truth be told there aren't any.

Added I thought Carew. looked, unfit, ill even, certainly not up for it and against 2 of the best CB's in Europe what else was he expected to do. Credit to the midfield, Coker, Petrov, and Barry all did their job, the defence did its best, how Knight has kept Davies out still confuses me. Thing was every time the ball was gained it tended to be passed back to our keeper to hoof forward.

Petrov give him credit, tried to break beyond their midfield and put balls to feet, Barry on occasion tried the sharp 1-2, Carew just couldn't hold it up, which considering the number of full games he's had recently, wasn't surprising.

Coker tried 3 times to run deep, stopped once and the other two he just looked around to see everyone but Carew behind him defending.Young, again, had a poor game against better opposition which limits the side.

Laursen, Davies did superbly until Mellberg was out of position, Davies nutmegged and Utd scored as Bouma stood ball watching.But the best winger in World football, had been held on a tight rope all
day so who am I to criticise one small indiscretion.

I don't understand tactics that put 10 men behind the ball in a one off cup competition, especially at home, especially when your last few games have been creditable on the back of attacking football.That sort of tactic would not have won through at Chelsea, Blackburn, Wigan or against Spurs twice.Yes fatigue had its place in the calculation, but then when 4 million strikers don't make the bench and unfit , unwell ones are first picks, is it surprising, in a squad as small as ours.

I loudly criticised O'Leary when we finished 6th for then spending on Baros and not on improving the squads over all strength, the same applied before this summers exits came about, they are just as important now as then, especially when so many transfers rarely get a look in.

We won't get relegated, we won't qualify for the European cup, we have been knocked out of both cup competitions very early on, what is there left, is there a need to buy in January.

Simply yes, the way O'Neill trades any buy at any time is a bonus, especially if as with Coker, Davies, and Young it occasionally works, but to consider spending now to gain anything other than a weak chance of lower European qualification is for me pointless.

Now it has to be about next season and blooding players to hit the ground running next time out, to see if the 4 million on Harewood was worth it, to see if Maloney can come good, to find a decent replacement for the alienated Sorensen, to find a real right back.

Disappointed with the result certainly, but more upset with the way it came about.

So much good work over the last 2 months such a let down.

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"just keep your heads up your arses"?!? Who do you think you are communicating with mate?! - Everyone did read the article 48...and they chose to come you never listen? You are simply to busy reading your own articles and perpetuating the myth that anyone who disagrees with you is a "ONeill can do no wrong" type of person - thereby making us out to be the ones with tunnel vision when clearly, it is YOU. Comparisons should bemade with our ever increasing gates, the fact that Liverpool have spent so much more but done so little better - which blows the theory of spending equals winning. As nearly everyone says: you can make some useful points but you are duller and more depressing and half as factually based than an Eastenders Christmas Special!!!! I honestly believe you support Rangers and don't like MONs Cletic links. Cue the Guardian Angel to help you out....
07/01/2008 18:40:00
i like this notion that our season hinged on winning the fa cup and getting into the Champions League!!! Avfc48 is more delusional than most Spurs fans, and thats saying something. We have never played in the Champions League, and haven't won the fa cup since 57, so since when were those two ambitions our aims for this season? Who ever said or thought we realistically had a chance of either? So according to you, by not acheiving what was realistically unacheivable this season is a failure? What a muppet. We are improving. And if we get into the UEFA that is a massive improvement and a large step forward. You simply don't know what you're on about.
The Usual Suspect
07/01/2008 17:13:00
You reap what you sow '48, just remember that next time you rudely or arrogantly respond to a fellow member, or twist his words to set you up for another assault on someone's opinion.
07/01/2008 17:09:00
TBH i think avfc48 enjoys being controversial. Its the only way he can get people to read his s**te articles.
The Usual Suspect
07/01/2008 16:51:00
So 48 you are saying that we should have used a positive frame of mind to win as Carew was injured and you haven't offered the tactical setup you would suggest?? Agreed that Maloney should get a chance but I think that Harewood has already proved that he isn't any good. You did make a couple of good points RE: long ball tactics etc. and agreed that recent posts have been positive. But the doom and gloom after losing 1 game to the champions with their full team out ( and only in the last 10 mins)was way OTT. The European Cup does not exist, it is either the Uefa or the Champions League so your writing this along with the title "ALL OVER NOW" has understandably provoked the response it did.
07/01/2008 16:39:00
I think we should have tried to play our normal game what's the point in having ten men behind the ball and just waiting for the inevitable. I am pleased with the progress this season i think we are about three good player's off quite a spiffing side. utv
chris the villan
07/01/2008 16:19:00
Those who say I never write positive articles should see the slagging I got for doing just that after the Chelsea and Wigan games. As to being not as good a fan as some of you think you are OK, not my problem, I know how good a fan I am. As to saying we wouldn't qualify for Europe I didn't, I said we wouldn't qualify for the European Cup, we won't. Thanks to those who took the time to at least try and appreciate what I was getting at, those who obviously didn't get past their first thought of insult, just keep your heads up your arses I'm sure everything will be ok. Point is we took on the best and gave as good as we got, better in my view against Chelsea, Wigan and Spurs. Against Utd, a team Coventry beat using attacking football, we went back to old failed tactics and defended. If you are genuinely looking for negativity not perpetuating this O'Neill can do no wrong and God help anyone who says he does, philosophy, look at our tactics against Utd. Sure we might have snatched a win, but without a fit Carew what chance there was of that was slim. I am not saying we haven't progressed this season we have, we haven't had the type of injuries to test a squad either, mind. We could have beaten Utd, with a more positive frame of mind, is all, Utd setup showed they thought so. As to the transfers, we desperately need players but does it really matter whether we finish 6th or 11th. Perhaps following my philosophy we would see if Harewood is any good, if Maloney can sustain a run, if Sorensen or Taylor should be discounted so early, if our manager can devise something other than his fall back strategy
07/01/2008 15:25:00
Personally speaking i think the club is on the up. I am very satisfied with the progress MoN has made so far and at this stage I don't believe we could realistically expect anything more.
07/01/2008 09:51:00
One fundamental point that the article is missing - Man Utd ALSO played for 90 minutes with ten men behind the ball. As far as the "hoof it upfield" brigade - would you rather see us trying to knock the ball around and work it out from the back against a team as well-drilled as Utd? To be honest, I think our players played well, and as I've mentioned on a few boards recently, Scott Carson is not a good enough goalkeeper....... a top-class keeper could have saved at least one of those two Utd goals.......
07/01/2008 04:08:00
I actually think all that 48's trying to say here is that he feels a bit let down with the tactics against ManU, and that we could have put less men behind the ball and tried to go down fighting. I actually agree - in the first 20 mins or so we did seem to have more of a go, and we had some chances, and had them on the back foot to some extent. I do think with only Saha upfront at this point, was probably our best chance to beat them. Having said that though, I also agree that we looked tired, and I think another colossal performance was just out of our reach this time after recent exertions. We clearly tired, and Sir Fergie obviously saw this too - sending on Hargreaves and Rooney to take us to pieces in the last 10 minutes. What an option to have on your bench, and one that we don't have, and wouldn't expect to at this stage. We matched ManU for 80 minutes - not bad eh? We should be proud, and whilst I think there are some valid points in this article, I think it's just the constant sniping and 'have a go' attitude which bugs the majority of supporters. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, granted - but do we really need such constant negativity? The team is clearly on the up, which is all we can hope for. If anything we've probably over-achieved this season, and raised people's expectations to unreasonable levels. A realistic expectation has to be to try to grab 6th or 7th place, and hope that's enough for UEFA qualification. Even if we don't make it this year, the signs are positive. Having said that, I do think that if we don't make signings now, we may miss a chance to push on - there is undoubtedly some real quality out there that's available for purchase & it would be a real shame if we miss a solid opportunity to improve further.
07/01/2008 02:48:00
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