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Villa Fans Backing For O'Neill

Vital Villa asked, in a poll suggested by Eltoro, What do you think of Martin O'Neill so far.

The question to be fair sparked a good old debate both in article comments (Click Here) and within our forum (Click Here)

Seems there is a fair amount of realism within the anwers. It was suggested that I added an option saying 'disappointed judging by the amount of money available' but unfortunately due to a technical hitch I couldn't add it!

42% have said that the Villa boss is doing a 'good' job. Certainly gives him something to build on given time.

25% said he is doing a 'very good' job and 4% went for the 'fantastic, couldn't ask for more' option.

13% had his work on the Villa so far as 'average' with a further 2% voting 'poor, don't think we've moved on at all'.

That left 14% wanting him replaced voting 'get him out, not the manager we thought'.

I'll repeat this poll after the transfer window and at the end of the season. Hopefully by the end of the following season we'll have 100% saying 'fantastic, couldn't ask for more' as whether we agree or disagree on, that is the one thing we all want surely? Success for the mighty claret and blue!




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The Journalist

Writer: J P Fear Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Thursday November 1 2007

Time: 12:16PM

Your Comments

Seems quite a rounded set of results to me!
The Fear
that image does amuse me!
The Fear
the simple fact remains, who else is there?
Stig
I think people are missing the point, having a go at people on this site just because they've become unhappy with MON, all the people in favour of MON keep talking about this five year plan! which is all well and true, some people who I won't name, are even calling me and others, glory hunters! now tell me if I'm wrong, but being a Villa fan for 40 years most definatley dosn't make me or anyone else for that matter a GLORY HUNTER, it's also been claimed, WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL! what I do know is this, nearly a dozen games into the second year of the five year plan, we are playing poor football, that's not me being a glory hunter, thats me pointing out the facts, I'm also not impressed with MON's tactics, again, thats nothing to do with not knowing anything about football, its about watching the games and seeing it for myself! and 3rd, MON's purchases in the transfer market with the exception of Ashley young, have been poor, to be honest I don't see any improvment in the football we play now, than when other managers were in charge, this is not about whats going on behind the scenes, this is about whats happening on the pitch! I know you'll say wait for the players to come thru the system, but i can't see that making any difference, if the managers tactics are wrong and outdated it dosn't matter who's in your squad! look at Spurs great team of players, wrong tactics, wrong manager, it didn't work, look at England for god sake, Rooney, Gerrard, Barry, Owen, Terry, wrong manager, wrong tactics and even they play like amatuers, don't let the five year plan mask your judgement.
eltoro
Five year plan doesn't come into my judgement at all. I know enjoy going to Villa Park again, because we have a TEAM who play with passion and as a collective unit, IMO. Yes, there are shortcomings, and we lack class in certain areas, but at the moment I am prepared to be patient because I can see progress. I went to my first game at the start of the 1962-3 season, and have had a season ticket since 1968. I quite genuinely was prepared to knock the whole thing on the head because I was so bored with the lack of ambition and the way football was going in general. Since MON's arrival I have started ENJOYING going to VP again, and have started going to some away games as well, which I haven't for years. I am not fickle, I used to go to every home and away game when the club were in the 3rd Division. I just got downright bored, until MON and Randy came along, and I thank them for giving me back the passion in the club i love.
krfeskivilla
If not MON then who? Perhaps we could have a poll to see whom the dissenters would pick to replace one of the best managers in the business? The team and the whole of the Villa set up was so far in the doldrums under Herbert that it will years to get it all out of the systems at Villa Park. I think Randy and MON are doing a good job. MON just needs to tighten up his work in the transfer market, that's all. Wait until the New Year and see the difference.
Obediah
Does make me smile that any Villa fan could be accused of being a glory hunter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Fear
Not really sure what is expected? We are 10 games into the season and are on 15 points compared to 11 points last season from the exact same fixtures. Fans were generally happy with the progress made last season and we have improved significantly points wise since then. Our spend, after in/outs are taken into consideration, is average compared to other clubs. We are the 11th biggest supported club in the country based on Season Ticket sales. We are making progress. Some games have been poor, some may disagee with tactics, we would have liked a right back in place. But we are making progress. Other than Chelski on the back of russian gangster money, no club has made long term progress by constantly changing managers. We have done that over the years and everybody complained. Now we have an opportunity to make progress and people want to do what we have done for years, which is create instability. Let me let you in to a secret .... it doesn't work. We improved last season. We have improved this season. Why would anyone want to change the management of an average club, with average attendances, that is slowly but surely getting its act together? We are doing better than our support or expenditure deserve. It is no good saying we can't wait for a 'five year plan'. Anybody with any sense knows that if you don't plan then you plan to fail. Just making decisions as you go along is what Villa have done for years ..... and look where it got us. We all knew in the first few years of the new regime there would be ups and downs. Accept it. This season we have beaten Chelski, Everton, Fulham at home. All clubs we failed to beat last season. We have picked up points at Newcastle and Spuds where we were beaten last season. These are ups. Losing to Leicester, ManCiteh, Manure and Murderpool were downs. Last season we drew too many games, this season we have won more than we have drawn or lost. Along with every club in the league I wish we played footy like the Arse. But I am a realist. We are moving forwards and I believe any change now will set us back years. If we were struggling in the lower reaches of the league than I would agree that plans would have to be revised. But we are not. So sit back and lets see where M'ON takes us. At the moment it is forwards. At the moment the fortunes of the club mirror the attitude of the fans. Some times we're good, sometimes we are crap. But we are moving forwards. Time to look at things again is when we start moving backwards.
voiceoftheholte
I don't expect us to play like Arsenal, if you can, watch sundays match again, forget its Villa and just watch how we played, constant passing back then hoof it up field, i've watched it twice, it's very poor believe me
eltoro
Hear hear VOTH.....good to hear a voice of reason at last. Agree with every word!
YatesyVillain
answer me this eltoro - has every match you've seen this season been like that? Did we hoof it upfield against Chelsea? in the pre season match against Inter? In the first 30 mins against Man U? Against Everton? No - whilst in some of these matches our defensive showings were not great, we did get the ball down and pass it around. This is yet another over reaction to a bad result and pad performance. Yes the bolton performance wasn't great. Blackburn played woefully when they came to our house last year - but look at them now, playing some good attacking football and getting good results. They haven't had to change manager, and neither will we.
The Usual Suspect
The Bolton game was a cock up and MON admitted that afterwards. He basically got it wrong and this is excusable as they had a new manager etc. even though he can't do this every week. He did manage to change it round however and rescued a point which hopefully means that after a year with us he is getting back into the swing of things after a couple of years out of the game. 7-9 points are needed in the next 3 games and all will be back on track.
Villan444
Voice - I see you mention our season ticket sales and average attendance and I suggest you are saying we are getting what we deserve. But why do we have to? Are Blackburn or Portsmouth? Why is it that even if we lose fans we can't have a benefactor and a decent manager who can put us in a position over and above what we 'deserve'.
Gazvilla
I like the man and think he is a good manager. Not many better ones around at the moment and i think you should be glad you have him.
will it ever happen
at least he has the full backing of the fans....cough...cough
villabikes29
listen, this is the last time, I'm not getting into backwards and forwards arguments over this one, I think we're poor, you don't, thats fine, it's been over 50 games since MON took charge and I can't say with any confidence that i see any improvement on o'leary.if you can, then good for u, let me just say, the team we have right now is going to get us nowhere, and when i ask why, I can only see the managers poor buying is at fault, if he continues to buy like this we''ll need a 30 year plan, so lets agree to disagree, and time will see who's right
eltoro
Electro, How long has Fergie been at Man U? and how long was it before he won his first trophy? and i seem to remember he was on the verg of the sack.. You see what i'm saying is you gain absolutely nothing by changing manager every 2 or so seasons. the Man U's/ Arsenal's of this world are testomony to stability.. so all the so called Villa fans who want to change the manager need to think on. We was cannon fodder for relugation a season and a half ago. SO GET A GRIP...
gappy65
When you consider O'Leary took a near relegated side to 6th in his first season with a spend of 4 million, its puts into perspective considering what then happened in years 2 and 3 what O'Neill has supposedly achieved by spending nigh on 50 mil on players he hardly seems able to play. He's done well thanks to some decent players left from his predecessors and the euphoria of his appointment last season plus a good start this. Our last 5 matches don't look as promising especially as a defence that he spent most on in the summer has conceded 9 in the last 4 games and only 1 game Man Utd was against a quality side. On the field he's getting average inconsistent results, but when you look at the transfer table with up to 5 of his players at a cost of 30 million not good enough to play in one of the smallest squads around you see how poor he is. I'd defy any manager with such a spend to be classed as 'good' let alone the 'best' when over 60% of his transfers don't play, what is the point of buying them?
avfc48
So we want success and we want NOW? Do we all feast on McDonalds also. Do we all suffer from premature ejaculation as well? Well thankfully i'm not a we and the man needs time to rebuild a club thats has been run down for a decade so get off his back. I hope all the knockers are here to offer there apologise when MON proves you all wrong. But i guess your the same so called supporters that thought we was going to win the league because we beat Chelski. And relugation was the only conclusion to our season when we was beat by ManU. Laughable !!!!!
gappy65
AVFC48 - you make me laugh. Comparing today's prices with DOL's day - hohoho. Different league - different world. Tell me one manager that has transformed a club overnight by throwing cash at it. (Sven!!!???).
CLVilla
avfc48 will only be happy if MON gets us relegated. Thats a real fan!
The Usual Suspect
great piece VOTH,have to say agree with every word but then again mate we will always have negative people and also doom and gloom merchants who only see the down side of everything regarding villa.it seems they want miracles over night,well lets be realistic here it aint going to happen that quick.patience is the key word here folks,obviously some people just do not have them simple.UTV
Belfast Villain
Certainly needs this season to be the stepping stone for Europe next year, he has two transfer windows to get the players in to provide a side with enough about them to score a few goals and keep clean sheets. This season I will be amazed if we qualify for Europe unles of course we win the FA Cup, recent history of the FA Cup would suggest next season will be the season to deliver.
col8
I have given up reading and posting on this site as much as I did, as I think it's tough enough supporting the Villa without subjecting myself to the tedious negativity of what seems like the majority of posters. So it is good to see that 71% in this poll think that MON is doing a good or better job. Maybe I'm not the only one to take the decision I have.
pongo wearing
I think some people on here need to realise times have changed. When O'Leary was in charge, I don't remember a newly promoted side like Sunderland splurging over 40million on new (and average) players. Times have changed, more money in the game, more competition for the best players. MON is doing a job based on where we are at present. To get the next level of players in, and to keep the better players we already have, I think everyone accepts we need to be in and around those European spots. Which currently, last time I looked, we do seem to be.
YatesyVillain
I suppose in all honesty and in defence of those posting negative stuff you have to ask has MON done enough so far in one and a third seasons to make anyone beleive he will be taking the club into the top 5? Personally I think its heading in the right direction but not quick enough for some supporters.
col8
Doing a good job in my opinion, and as has been discussed in depth on the forum, I feel he's set us up on the right track to achieve our aims of initially becoming a top six side, from where we can really begin our push to step up to an even higher level. He's been at VP fifteen months, and as far as I'm concerned, things are progressing nicely as MON continues to rebuild and reshape the shambles of a dressing room/team he inherited back in the late summer of 2006.
glensider
gobby gabby and everyone else, its about they way we play, not the points we have or the position we're in, just what happens on the pitch, and I can't see any improvement, none at all, we don't play good football at the moment and thats down to the manager
eltoro
Its becoming tedious Boringo. Imagine your paid to put up a back garden shed in 5 days starting on a Monday. You get to the second day just before lunch time and are just finishing off completing the foundations of the shed. The owner comes out of the house and says 'get out your sacked'. Is this fair?were you going to complete the shed? The foundations were a little behind schedule but only a matter of an hour as they delivered the sand late. The point is the end product but the owner got rid of you? was it your fault about the sand being late? or the fact they were asking so much money for it you had to wait so they dropped the price? You would have completed the shed on time.
KSarge1
Sarge, sorry to hear about the shed situation. I am sure you will find more work. Sounds like the owners have hired some Polish guys who have undercut you They wouldn't have been behind schedule and would have worked constantly until it was finished though. Does anyone know if there are any Polish managers out there???????????????? P.S. I also reckon you could have got that shed done on time if only the owners had given you a chance. Keep the faith.
Villan444
eltoro - firstly, no need for sarcasm, everyone is entitled to their view on here. I can see your point, in that we are not playing attractive football, but I have a number of questions that I would like to hear your views on.
a) who could we get that would guarantee doing better than MoN?
b) which players could be have got in during the 2 transfer windows that would have improved the squad?
c) do we really expect to play like Arsenal/ManU with the players we have?
d) how long would you give a new manager to turn things around should MoN be replaced?
Cheers
CLVilla
clvilla the sarcasm started way before i wrote that, read everthing or don't read any, what you said WAS EXACTLY WORD FOR WORD WHAT I SAID EARLIER IN THE WEEK, everyone has there own view! and if you took the time to read everthing you would see I haven't once said anything about sacking the guy, all I've said was we don't play good football, the tactics are wrong, he's bought badly, and so on, the 5 year plan is not on track, beating chelsea dosen't mean it is,ITS ABOUT THE FOOTBALL, AND WE ARE POOR, NO QUESTIONS
eltoro
Oooohhhh - touchy aren't we? Got out of bed the wrong side this morning. Try reading my post - I said I agreed with you!!! FW!!! My (reasonably worded - not confrontational) questions still stand, particularly - who could we have bought? Who was available? Would any other manger have been able to do better? Any chance of a debate instead of a tirade?
CLVilla
Yes of course a debate would be good FW ;) only teasing relax, back to the debate, answer to your questions a) I'm not sure who could do better than MON at this moment, but that dosen't mean there's no one out there. B) Not sure again if there was any decent Brits out there, but I would rather see him delve into the foriegn market, than just buy because he thought he had to, some older players may have helped just till we got our foot in, Portsmouth don't seem to be doing badly with tried and tested players, it didn't hinder Bolton either. C) no I don't expect us to play like a top 5 club with the squad we have! but if this five year plan is going to work we have to start playing attractive football soon, the Bolton game just tipped me over the edge, I traveled to Bolton all the way from Weymouth Dorset and back last Sunday, and for what, a ***** poor performance. and D) if we got a new manager I would hope to see some improvement on the pitch after 2 transfer markets and 50 games spent in charge, I don't want miracles but decent football, I read the newspaper on monday after the Bolton game, the telegraph and the mirrior both said we were desperate, and sadly I have to agree, I like the man don't get me wrong but not half as much as the Villa, so for me it has to be about the football, we don't have the team to grind out draws away from home and win at home like Arsenal did, the team isn't old enough for that, I can't remember playing good football since Little was here, and thats not good enough. and why we're on the subject you might want to let george dubaya bush know that someone else's five year plan looks like going tits up has well!
eltoro
Cheer up m8!! Is it really that bad? Mind you - long journey - I am down in Brighton so know what it is like driving back after a bad away game!! Personally, I think we have played some great football this year. Newcastle was a good game without getting the win we deserved. There is no team on the planet that turns up every week and plays scintillating football. Even Arsenal had an off day today - Wenger must be disgusted!!! I like what he is trying to do. I am proud to point out to all the Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and ManU fans down here that we will form the basis of future England sides. I know it could be better - but let's face it - we are Villa - it is never easy. The only transfer I am jealous of from the summer is Elano at Man City - but who would have guessed that?
CLVilla
We're on the right track. Things are looking up. We're still not where we need to be, but after sixteen months of the MON era we're moving in the right direction.
glensider
 

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