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Villa Fans React Angrily To Cup Exit

Some of the reactions of the fans to last nights exit suggests the performance was not acceptable in any way, shape, or form.

Adam Deuce said 'Just got back from VP and am gutted. Dreadful. I think we missed Carew. I hope he gets fit soon because without him holding the ball up we looked clueless.' Adding, 'I'll openly admit to being fairly clueless when it comes to tactics etc having never really played beyond school playground level but I can just about work out what formation a team is attempting to play in. Last night I was scratching my head to figure out who was playing what and where. It looked like the players didn't know either. Did anyone hear Curtis Davies on Radio One News this morning admitting to being 'Rubbish' and 'playing like a pub team players'. At least he has the balls to admit it. No consolation to the 25.5K ppl at VP last night.'

Aston Smith, a Man City regular whose girlfriend is a Villa fan told us, 'My gal got in from the game in a bit of a mood (lol). What she says is that you have no quality strikers. Ones for the future maybe, but top Prem strikers that can do it now - 15 goals a season - no way. That includes Carew. He will get you 8 or 9 Prem goals if lucky. You will need to spend big in Jan if you can attract anyone decent. Am I right or am I correct?'

You are right, it was obvious during the summer as well though, so you have to ask why no purchases?

He continued with a little taunt! 'ps Do you want Vassell back? He really has come on in leaps and bounds. Ahem. Honest.... '

villacross said 'Bad night for everyone. I was surprised that O'Neill didn't field his strongest side; he knew they would be difficult to break down. I would have played Moore and Young from the start, resting them only when the result looked secure.'

Stig was even firmer in his reaction and wants a couple of players to turn tail out of Villa Park! 'Petrov and Coker, pack your bags. If you cant stand up to that then jog on. Bar Maloney and Mellberg every player on that pitch were completely useless, no guts, no balls, no ideas, no energy. Scared of going forward, scared of tackles PATHETIC !!!! The worst collective performance I have seen since O'Leary's tenure. No one wanted it and it isn't good enough. O'Neill deserves some blame for playing what looked like a strange set up, was it 3-5-2 attacking or 4-3-3 attacking? I don't think the players knew. why change something that isn't broken !!!!!!'

Ouch.

*Holte*end*star* knows who he blames: 'MON gets paid to pick the team, so the responsibility is firmly on his shoulders.'

Was_danrenshaw disagreed saying the players were at fault adding: 'this result is a disaster our only chance of silverware look at the last 16 and you will know why its a disaster big chance missed.'

Villa4everandever said: 'Osbourne was probably the only player to come out with any credit from the game for me. Why oh why waste the talent of GB at bloody left back!! What's the point of having reserves if you don't give them a chance??'

YatesyVillain meanwhile reacted with a bit more positivity: 'May not actually be a bad thing in the long-run? Although it was a potential route into Europe (which I guess is the big downside), a cup run would have undoubtedly stretched our thin squad. You can't really blame MON for putting out a slightly changed team - you would think with the people that came in they should still have been pushing as hard as they could to make an impression, and they should still have had enough quality to beat Leicester. Have to place the blame for this one firmly at the feet of the players....a very very bad day at the office.....'

Jonah meanwhile points the finger at the transfer window saying: 'O'Neill might just have got away with his shambolic dealings in the transfer window if we had been lucky with injuries. We can see already that isn't going to be the case and we could be in serious trouble soon if we get any more.'

I suppose we could go round and round as to whose fault it is. I must admit that the team put out last night, on paper at least, should have been more than capable of turning over an out of form Leicester team. However you also have to look at the lack of real transfer activity in the summer, that is going to cost us dearly this season with injuries already kicking in, unless we can pull off some major deals in January - but then you have to bear in mind most teams don't sell their best players midway through the season.

The full forum thread can be seen at: Click Here

Interesting times. Hopefully we'll get back on track against Spurs on Monday night.




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The Journalist

Writer: J P Fear Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Thursday September 27 2007

Time: 10:14AM

Your Comments

I'll say it now so people don't think I'm jumping on the bandwagon in 12 months, MON is NOT the man for the job!
eltoro
I'm sorry to whoever put this together but as there are forums available this article is utterly pointless and has undone all of the positive vibes that were created. We are never world class when we win and we are not relegation fodder now.
supermansfoot
The only problem is supermansfoot is we are now out of the one competition we should have been aiming to do very well in but by fielding a team that haven't played a competitive game together have now flopped in. A decision which I find unacceptable and bewildering when MON admits it was a mistake and one he has made before. Not very good for a man paid a lot of money to put a team out to win games.
Hoss The Villain
I guess these are the same people who thought we were world beaters when we turn Chelski over a few weeks ago. The pendelum swings both ways equally, so get a grip its just a bad day at the office.
gappy65
I'll say it now so people don't think I'm jumping on the bandwagon in 12 months, Eltoro you do not have a clue.
KSarge1
supermansfoot I totally agree, this is disgraceful. We are all a bunch of moaners, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal will win this trophy. I'm not saying support the team whatever, but everyone on Vital Villa expects us to win every single game - that is a fact, there will be hiccups. Expect us to go away and drill Man City who had just beaten Man U in the last game as an example. Also we need to face up to reality, it's all about the top 4 teams now and the Champions League END OF. The gap is getting wider and wider, they win all the cups and have the pick of all the best players. Until we break into the top 4 we'll be swimming in mediocrity and winning zero.
tarzan
Have you seen the Carew comments on this site - hypocrites. You were all saying how rubbish he was until Sunday.
tarzan
With all due respect Tarzan we weren't playing a top 4 side, in fact we weren't even playing a top 4 team in the Championship but a bottom 4 team. Even MON has come out and said we should have done better. He isn't hiding from his decision and has admitted it was a mistake so why are you trying to defend him??
Hoss The Villain
I can't remember saying Carew was rubbish, can you point me to where I made that comment please.
Hoss The Villain
I personally dont believe that there's anyone better out there than MON to take this club forward, and to suggest that he should be replaced, or is not up to the task of managing AVFC on the strength of a few reversals, even one as shocking as last night's result, is ridiculous to the extreme. The players didn't perform, either individually or as a team. MON is now obviously more wiser concerning the ability and attitude of current 'fringe' members of his squad, but even virtual certain starters for Monday's game at WHL, Gabby for example, were way off the pace. A disastrous night all round.
glensider
M'ON is not god but he is a great manager.
supermansfoot
Eltoro get a grip!
Mutley73
As has been said - completely pointless "article" as all it is doing is stirring up the emotions of *****ed-off fans. We were bad, the manager has admitted it, the players have admitted it. Those of you who are perfect, please apply for the Man Utd job because Sir Alex clearly isn't up to the job after losing to Coventry...... Hoss - maybe you personally haven't slagged off Carew, but plenty on here have. This site is starting to show some very amateurish, negative signs over the past few months. LONG TERM THINKING PLEASE!!!
gmvillan
gmvillan, you're spot on my friend regarding the recent criticism of John Carew. We'll miss that guy more than his detractors yet realise.
glensider
Emotion, passion and pain. We are fans and it hurts us because we feel we would always give 100%. Did not see the game but I think the club took it lightly. MON has made mistakes but he has admited it, we only learn through our mistakes that how as humans we grow. At least we are standing up to be counted now, under DOL blame and inuendo was thrown around all over the palce.
NY Villa
Granted it's probably the only piece of silverware we had a realistic chance of winning this season - but treat defeats as minor setbacks. The culprits to last nights debacle have held up there hands and taken full responsibility for a less than lacklustre performance. They have points to prove - give them the chance to prove them. There is now great emphasis on our league position - minimum requirement for the short term is 1pt v. Spurs on Monday night. Keep the faith, yes - show you're disappointment - the players must know that we find this unacceptable - but lets move on together!
bazzah
and whys that KSARGE1 , I take it from your comment you went last night! same goes for you MUTLEY73, It was painfull, we where *****e, if I feel he's not the man for the job, then after paying my money and traveling over 250 miles every week I've got every right to say so.so less of the ' haven't got a clue comment' to others on here who don't agree with what you think, cock!
eltoro
Guys, there are a few fans such as AVFC48 and eltoro who don't appear to rate MON. He certainly isn't proven at this level and time may tell that they were the first to see that he couldn't hack it. Alternatively, they may have to eat humble pie. What I do know is that as we find out more about his player choices and his tactics, doubts are creeping in to the most loyal of fans. You cannot adopt an 'emporer's new clothes' type attitude and the likes of eltoro are expressing an opinion. Personally I think MON's way of slowly building a 'blood, sweat and tears' squad as opposed to Sven's methods won't work because we live in an impatient world and these threads prove he'll be forced out before time. He'll be gone by the end of next season.
Gazvilla
A strong assessment Gazvilla, and as you say only time will tell. I hope you're wrong, I think you'll be proved wrong, but if there is to be a parting of the ways, then I think it will come about with MON walking, as opposed to being pushed. After a mere two seasons in the job though (when May and seasons end comes around), I would hope that he would realise that he took on an almighty task to turn this club around, decide to continue, and have the backing of the supporters to do so. Another change in manager, allied to all the upheaval that that would bring, is the very last thing this club needs. Whatever happened to talk of a five year plan, with supporters united in saying they were prepared to give him time?
glensider
Hold on a minute. I think this thread has gone haywire. I still support MON. I believe he is the right man for the job. If you read my comment (first on the article) I do not criticise any specific player or the manager. Neither did I slag off Carew and have never slagged off Carew. I did elsewhere on this site criticise the morons who boo'd Marlon 'Brandy' Harewood off. I have every right to say what I thought of the performance. This doesn't mean I am trying to "undo(ne) all of the positive vibes".
Adam Deuce
We had a bad day. So what! So did Man utd, are the Man u fans calling for Fergies head 5hit happens.
morky13villa
MON admits he made a big mistake last night so let's leave it there and move on.
villacross
Glensider - totally agree. But by the end of next season he'd have had 3 years in charge. I can see that his overly-carefull use of the transfer market and the impatience fans have in general (not just a trait at our club) will make him walk. I hope I'm wrong as well because if he doesn't go it means things are going well. He may be the author of his own misfortune as the recent injuries have highlighted. Fans, including Mr Fear I think, have dreaded injuries coming along. Bouma gets injured and we lose the countries most influencial midfielder. Carew gets crocked and we get Marlon. Love MON and his character in an age of distrust and greed but I'm a little concerned as although I think we'll make progress on last year I think other clubs will make even more progress. Still.... good job it's only a game! UTV
Gazvilla
Gazvilla - If Ellis was still manager he would be gone next season if we weren't in the Top6 but fortunately I believe Lerner will support him totally up to the bitter end, if necessary. That end will only come when O'Neill admits defeat and leaves of his own accord as Graham Taylor did in 2003. In my opinion we've got a first class manager whose only fault that I can see is being too supportive to off-form players - but some would call that a virtue.
villacross
Eltoro to say a man is not the right person who has barely been in a job for a year with a 5 year plan is a complete joke. 99% of Villa supporters believe he is the right person for the job, says alot really. Oh and yes I was there on Wed, but I am not worrying - it was obvious to see that O'Neill was experimenting a little. These things happen its part of football if it had come off then all is well, as it happened it didnt and MON has learned a valuable lesson.
KSarge1
'vital villa expects us to win every game' is total nonsense Tarzan, Vital has 2500 members, all of whom have different views, that is what a forum brings and long may it continue. I'm not sure it would have been appropriate to put up a celebration of our loss, if we'd won the article would have been positive. The simple fact is we should have won the game (and that is just my opinion) Again, you calling people hypocrits for saying we missed Carew. There are plenty on this site who think JC is the knees of the bees and without him we aren't the same team. There are those (like me, who preferred Baros) and others who don't know yet. Don't lump every member of this site (or any site for that matter) into a 'collective' just because they post here. There are loads of arguments and debates as to who is good and who is bad, that is what football is, or do we all just sit quitely applaud every win and loss and just say nothing? Come on, get a grip. As for undoing all the positive vibes, come off it, there were no positive vibes from the players after the game, Barry was brutally honest as were others, they said there were no plus points to the cup exit and there weren't.

There is nothing pointless with the article, fans are entitled to their opinions, it isn't stirring it by publishing them, or was MON stirring it for talking about how poor we were? What about Curtis Davies, should the official site have not published his quotes because he was stirring it up as well? What would you have me do? Ignore the game? This is a site for talk of Villa, for fans opinions, quotes from the manager and players etc. As said above, if we'd won the comments would have been positive, but we were dumped out of the cup without a whimper, if that doesn't warrent comment then I might as well give up footie now as that has always been the point for me, the good and bad times, the crack and the debates.

Great post Gazvilla.
The Fear
Yes there definately was a plus point from Wednesdays game, a massive plus point - MON may well have learnt a great deal from the tactics and team selection. He knows never to play that tactic with those players again! Plus he can see which players are really at Villa to win and fight for a place in the team and which are not.
KSarge1
It was disappointing. I really fancied a cup run this year. The players never performed. M'ON put out the wrong team. But I am of the opinion it was just a hiccup. Manures team on Wednesday contained players who cost millions more than anything Villa have ever paid. Maybe Ferguson should be sacked. After all he has had 19 years, not just 14 months. Saunders, Gregory, Atkinson and many others lost to lower league clubs but never suffered this backlash. Sometimes things do not go to plan. If you spend a quarter of a million on a Ferrari and it breaksdown (as they often do) you do not go and buy a Kia because it has a 7 year warranty. You repair and fine tune the Ferrari. The manager admitted he made mistakes (as we all do). All this ranting and raving does ab*****ely nothing in my opinion. We are all entitled to our opinion but I think some people should have a reality check. We are a mid table club, with mid table support, who have spent mid table money. We are hoping over the next few years to be a top club, with better support, who are doing well enough to match some other clubs in the spending department.
voiceoftheholte
I don't like Villa losing any match, but losing in the League Cup probably hurts least. All the slagging off of MON is way off beam. Yes, he may have got it wrong for the Leicester match, but calling his quality into question as a manager for Villa is ludicrous. I wonder who Eltoro thinks IS the man for the job?
VillaYamYam
hehe martin o'neill is better than your life. so what he messed up 1 game. get over it
ric112
In all honesty you would not expect any supporters of a Premiership Club to react any different.
col8
 

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