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Facts or Fiction, past or future

I see talk of Martin's joining Villa, fans still suggesting Defoe is a target and so on. From the day the season closed until the 31 st of August, Martin O'Neill managed to get Reo Coker, Martin Harewood and Zat Knight for a spend of £15 million. In fact if you take into account the sales he made the actual spend is far less.

If in all that time the sum of O'Neill's trading's are summarised as above, why oh why, do people still offer such suggestions as Defoe and Martins?

Why are fans still believing that such purchases are possible, that O'Neill will even contemplate such. He had a full season, plus a full summer to deal, every other club did to their best ability so I assume so did we. No one has dared do a comparison of this summers deals to those of O'Leary and Taylor's under Ellis I note, but considering the extra money available from media rights, and Randy's wallet, the sum spent, the players bought are arguably far poorer.

Was Reo Coker a bigger buy or risk than Crouch, 5 seasons ago for 6 million? Was Harewood a better gamble than Allback, was Knight a better buy than Mellberg, Alpay, Bouma, Hughes?

Many don't like him but Baros was a proven golden boots striker who had played several seasons in the Premiership, when he was bought with Hughes and Bouma did we all rain praise on O'Leary, was our expectation comparable to now.

It bloody well was not, complaint after complaint piled in O'Leary, this, O'Leary that, Ellis is a this, Ellis is a that, why can't we buy better, what hope have we with such buys. This time around the Board have money and provided funds, the media funding was huge compared to that in Ellis times, especially under Taylor and O'Leary, yet the same fans who criticised and moaned who made a life on slating Ellis and his managers now sit quietly by the computers eulogising over the possible purchase of such as Defoe, SWP, Martins.

We have a 5 year plan but nothing in the transfer market so far has matched the off field improvements, especially when you consider the money available from all sources this summer. The spend indicates no more ambition on the field, especially when you account those sold, than at any time under Ellis, so why the continued insane suggestions?

We are still a club with mid table aims struggling to find players to move us centimetres at a time, thankfully O'Neill's past record suggests he's better at doing it that way than his two predecessors. He's bought some decent prospects, in Young and Coker, but so did Taylor, so did O'Leary, so did Gregory, they mainly bought make do's that's why long term we didn't progress well enough, is Carew, Harewood, Knight, Maloney anything more?

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Date:Wednesday September 19 2007
Time: 3:32PM


Excellent article avfc48. I am now going to enjoy sitting back and watching the sparks fly.
19/09/2007 15:39:00
You have purchased average players and expect them to get you into the champions league. (not going to happen). Now i dont want you all coming on and having a go just sit back and look at your squad(not good enough) i have been very impressed with your first 11 but the back-up is poor.
19/09/2007 15:52:00
Sorry, have I missed this point of this? Why are you/we repeating this stuff? There are no new thoughts here - just the same old negative dribble. By the way, the article misses the acquisition of Davies - a permanent signing by any other name, only delayed for the baggies cash flow/ tax reasons. It also misses the acquisitions made in January. No I don't think MON walks on water and yes the hype was too heavy in the early Summer and yes I did feel a bit let down by the process but yes I did renew my season ticket which, for AVFC48's information is a season long pass to the ground that enables supporters to see all of the matches - not a TV couch pass. By the way I also live in N Wales which I surmise is probably not too far from the home of AVFC48. The point surely is that the Villa is being re-built, albeit more slowly than some would like. This year's squad is more solid looking than last years. Progress is being made. Now let those who do little but complain please stop moaning and either support the club or leave. And can we all please move on.
19/09/2007 15:56:00
Watching from afar, listening to my Villa fan girlfriend (and yes, risking egg on my face at the end of the season) I think Sven and Frank at city are showing you how it should have been done. My belief is that you have class guys at the helm, but O'Neill isn't viewed as a top class coach abroad nor by big name players. That isn't to say he won't succeed over time with the cream of English yoof but you have such fickle fans that if he doesn't get Villa moving forward in a big way by Xmas those rows of empty pink seats may have a few American bums a-twitching!
Aston Smithy
19/09/2007 15:58:00
When did you start writing this article avfc48???.... 1st Sept??? Bygones, in the past... leave it be. You change your tunes every 90mins we play - if you win you sign our praises; when we lose you nit-pick. It's cr@p journalism. So in your eyes we won't improve on our tally of 52 pts last season?
19/09/2007 16:05:00
Aston Smithy: I really wouldn't get to carried away with yourself. You were crap Sunday and so were we and you got lucky. If you read anything more than that into it you are deluding yourself. And as for the old, old fickle villa fans (yawn). All I can say is villa don't play their home games in a morgue.
19/09/2007 16:14:00
Some good points raised and many we share with you.... however I feel there's a new light at the end of the tunnel for villa players.... Players like barry who nearly left us under Ellis, see the club now going in the right direction... players now want to stay and fight for a place to play for AVFC, before players like Baros, Alpay along with many others did not and the performances/heart seen whilst wearing claret and blue colours spoke for it self. I do now see a team who collectively will strengthen over coming years, with the backbone almost cemented in Barry, Reo-coker, Laursen, Mellberg - some statute players with the young guys that have momentum and feist playing around them identifies a new forward looking villa.... We will break into Europe in coming years with if the club continues to go in the direction it is, the Premiership isn't for mugs, you have to be serious to contend in it.... I feel our management, back room staff, Board and Chairman are competent in doing so...
19/09/2007 16:18:00
Aston Smithy - If Sven and Thaksin continue in the manner they are, and the same goes for Rafa and the American owners at Liverpool; they are threatening to destroy the souls of the clubs that they own. Can City keep hold of the kids that have come through the ranks, they have shown in the past to be a selling club with SWPs sale to Chelsea, and eventually they will have to balance the books and to do this they will have to sell some of they're prize assets, currently their youngsters Richards, Johnson and Onuha. Liverpool have stopped producing kids decent enough to show ability in the top tier - so they're resorting to buying the best foreign kids. OK, we want success, and for now we're happy doing it our way - we're doing English football credit! An improvement this season is what is targeted, and even the slightest improvement could guarantee us European football next term. Bottom line is we have improved on the field.... and this article is way off the mark.
19/09/2007 16:25:00
Can someone explain the point of this article to me please?
Adam Deuce
19/09/2007 17:31:00
Ever since the days of BL we have been a middle to top 6 team, sometimes up, sometimes down. Are we any different now. A golden opportunity from a seemingly switched on owner was missed during the summer, why? Could it simply be that Villa has always been since 82 nothing more than a mediocre side with mediocre ambitions, and whilst much has changed off the pitch we still buy the same quality and type of buy now as we have done over the years since Saunders. At least we have a manager who has shown in the past he's good at dealing with such mediocre ambitions and spending. What fans have to decide is, is that because of the clubs, standing, the owner, or the manager. Whatever, to keep suggesting after all those years of evidence that SWP, Defoe type buys are on the cards seem to me, at least, ludicrous.
19/09/2007 17:57:00
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