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Villa expectations or is it?

For so long Villa fans, most, anyway, longed for the day when there would be a new owner, allied to a new and half decent manager.

ell you may have noticed it came to pass but amongst the fog of euphoria, many have advocated a wait and be patient philosophy, the Prozac dream.

It goes like this ' we can't expect things to change overnight, we need to be patient, sit back, support the club without question, be glad its all gone through, be glad its happened in your life time, all is wonderful. It will take time, but we have the best manager in the Premiership, the best owner, full of promises to make us great, we just have to be patient'

As a result articles such as this get stopped, criticisms of the manager makes you a pariah, criticism of the new owners something worse.

Now I know no matter how many times I or those like me say it, we won't be believed, but we are all overjoyed that O'Neill took the club on, of all those available he was the best. He's not by far, the best in the Premiership though and far from a name in European terms.

Same with the new owner. Its brilliant Lerner got the club when you consider some of those in the bidding, and compared to the previous owner he's a golden goose.

s his board have already shown their PR is on a different level to what we have come to expect. Already the signs look promising, the training ground go ahead alone, worth the entrance fee, but there's a long way to go but I don't see why we have to wait for major things to happen, if the intentions are as they say.

For all their combined problems O'Leary and Ellis left behind a club in a better state than many in the Premiership. Despite their end of season position, as my mate John was always reminding me our Premiership finishes hadn't been that bad compared to most, apart from the big lads.

As John and Ellis' PR kept reminding us the club wasn't in debt, well not in comparison to Everton, Man City and so on. By Premiership terms we weren't that poorly off in reality.

Now our owner is a billionaire, has loads of dosh, not as much as an Abramovich sure or possibly not as keen to spend as him, but hey he and his mates are all proven World Class businessmen, you mean to tell me they can't finance a major spend if the return is there.

Of course they can, its bullshite to suggest they can't, they aren't corner shop owners these guys, behind the PR, behind the dream they weave, are some seriously heavy financial movers, and they own and run Aston Villa.

So why should there be this settling in period, why do we have to wait and see, take our time. Neville lost the race, Lerner won it. We didn't get Southgate as manager we got the dream ticket I'm told, the main man, so we have it all, so why should we have to wait, why should there be this need to lower expectation, to accept one or two seasons of mediocrity, until all the long term bad is slowly eroded away and replaced with the new dream.

Is Sutton, Agathe even Petrov, your idea of a club looking to take on Europe and bring success to the club asap. Is buying a 40 year old who rarely gets into a side propping up the Premiership, your dream purchase ?

If it is, it shouldn't be, not with the dream team we have now in charge. If Neville had made it maybe, but you got your dream team, so why settle for the Prozac option, why sucker yourself into accepting second best.

We've done that when we didn't have a it seems a management able to do it differently, now we do.

Look at the state of our club, financially and even player wise, we aren't that bad off, in comparison to some who are likely to gain European qualification, we are in superb condition.

We have a wealthy and highly competent owner and board with stacks of money, excluding Chelsea and Manchester United who else has, Portsmouth, maybe?

No one else has even Spurs, Arsenal, certainly not Everton, Bolton, West Ham, and co.

Who else has such a good youth set-up as ours seems to be already. OK other clubs are far better at getting the best potential kids but hopefully the new dream ticket will even help that hugely.

Who else has the potential support base we have. Everyone forgotten we are the only Midlands club in the Premiership. For miles around no Premiership football lads yet we can't pack them in even with such a surprisingly good start.

Which belatedly leads me on to the manager and the existing squad. Its the same squad many on here tipped for Europe two seasons back, plus Petrov minus DLC, Phillips, and Milner. As early results have shown it hasn't done too bad, surprising many including O'Neill be he believed.

So whilst I appreciate we are in the transfer window, and its always hard to get the right people in January because of contract restraints, I thought we were no longer the 'Olivers' of the Premiership. No longer does the manager have to justify his expenditure with the sale of his best players, no longer does he have to spread 11 million over two seasons, no longer are we the poor buys of the Big boys.

At least I'd thought not.

I expect my team to succeed. I expect the new management to keep their promises, not over a long term of several years but now. Now is when they own the club, now is when I want results.

I want the manager to be looking to bring in the best, players with long term potential, better still with proven ability.

I want him to bring in players in January to compliment the undoubted talent we have and ensure we qualify for Europe next season.

hen in the summer I want them to bring in even better players to ensure we not only do well in Europe but we maintain the growth of the club in the Premiership.

I don't want ex drunks, over the top stop gaps 40 year old past geniuses with little to offer, unknown unproven cheapo from lower divisions, that's the Ellis way.

That's the way past managers worked, its not the way the dream ticket should work, not for me anyway.

You know what I'd bet my bank balance that the management know it too, I just wonder how much under all the excellent PR, they mean to achieve.


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Writer: J P Fear Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday November 1 2006

Time: 4:16PM

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Patience young jedi. Rome wasn't built in a day and all that.
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01/11/2006 16:19:00

I'm not sure we do have to wait a season to two, this season is good judging by the fact O'Neill got in late and had to bring in 'bodies' (a point I know you know about) and January some money will no doubt be spent as long as the right quality is about. In the summer I'd expect a decent influx and next season we will see major progress I'm sure. I know what you are saying although some will misread it, but I do think you need to smile more my friend!!!!
The Fear
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01/11/2006 16:23:00

Good article in the sense that all are entitled to their view and we don't want to be in an 'emporers new clothes' type of situation where we go along with the flow. But...... Players bought so far were the only ones available to bolster our small squad. Ok let Randy shout from the rooftops MON has 50M to spend and come Jan we'll pay 10M for the likes of Milner. Yes, we want good players but MON has alluded to the fact that Johhny Foreigner can take time to settle, if at all. Having said that he was abroad last night scouting. Newcastle, Spurs and Liverpool have spent loads with no guarantee of success. Yes, pool gotta cup but they're a way off Man U etc. Arsenal and to some extent Man U built it up over a period of time and can now sustain it. Chelsea bought enough to guarantee success. If it takes time to get the right player I'll wait.
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01/11/2006 16:53:00

Good to see you given an opportunity to tell us your view. However I think it is naive in the extreme if you believe that the new regime will bankroll the club onwards and upwards. Why would they spend their own money on running a business?? It is a bit like asking the Chairman of British Airways to dip into his own bank account to buy a few planes. We all want success and we all want it now. Whilst Abramovitch and Chelsea are a seperate case, those with any business acumen will realise that real foundations must be laid. Yes you are corrct about the lack of debt, the reasonable squad and the youth set up left by the Ellis years. But that is just the very tip of the iceberg in building a successful and sustainable football dynasty. I think Blackburn showed everybody what to much to soon brings. Ellis barley dug the footings of a successful business and it will take the new regime time to build proper foundations. Impatience, I believe could be the enemy within. But that is just my opinion. So avfc48, whilst you put over a logical argument, I think it is one that will be at odds with the majority of Villa supporters.
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01/11/2006 17:46:00

You're living in "cloud-cuckoo-land my friend. We all know that we will only be a force again when the squad is drastically improved. With the best "will" in the world, coupled to sensible player acquisitions, it will take a year, possibly 2 or even 3 years before we can even expect to our glory days. What I am sure is that we will grow stronger year-on-year and that's all we can hope for. O'Neill and Lerrner will continue to have my humble support whilst I can can continue to improvements and eventually see sun-light on that trophy at the end of the tunnel - and that trophy is the European Cup which our boys won almost 25 years ago. I can appreciate fans being impatient but for the first time in more than two decades we have an owner that listens to and empathises with the fans. That's got to be good news.
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01/11/2006 18:03:00

The work at Chelsea started long before the Abramovich era with Hoddle and Gullit and Vialli, then Abramovich and Ranieri already in place buying young British players originally like Fat frank and Joe Cole, plus the likes of Cudicini, Gudjonsen etc, only really when Morinho came did the money really flow into ridiculous levels. Chelsea beat us in the worst FA cup final of all time, they had already started winning silverwear and won the Uefa cup I think. This was all over a 5 or 6 year period and this has really borne fruit in the last two years with the arrival of Mourinho and the consecutive Prem League titles.... it takes time!!!
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01/11/2006 19:44:00

Is that a fact Villacross. Answer me this as you are obviously so knowledgeable and erudite, how come with a poorer squad of players, no Bouma,Gabby, Petrov, Davis, Sutton, Hughes, Laursen, and Barry and McCann playing nothing like as well, O'Leary managed to get them to 10th and 6th. Its not me who is in cloud cuckoo land, we now have the dream ticket running the club. No Ellis, no O'Leary No where above have I called for us t be topping Europe, topping the Premiership read it again and this time don't jump head long into immature conclusions I'm calling for a supposedly brilliant manager to carefully improve the size and quality of the club to take us into Europe, to pinch one of those spots teams like Bolton, Newcastle, Everton even Portsmouth are looking to gain. If we have a dream ticket, please advise me why it seems such an impossible task for you Oh and one other point, if I'm at odds with so many Villa supporters why aren't 44,k filling the ground every week.
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01/11/2006 22:12:00

avfc48 you are so touchy. And you seem unable to listen to the views of the other fans. It is your way or no way!! The main focus of your comments was that you 'expect' the board to make a major investment in the team out of their own money. So that there is no confusion this is what you have said "Now our owner is a billionaire, has loads of dosh, not as much as an Abramovich sure or possibly not as keen to spend as him, but hey he and his mates are all proven World Class businessmen, you mean to tell me they can't finance a major spend if the return is there." The big statement there is 'if the return is there'. There are no guarantees unfortunately, no matter who is managing the club. What you are advocating is the Leeds scenario of spend and hope. Redscouse, Manure and the Arse are generating so much money it is almost impossible to compete, and Chelski have an owner who is trying to buy every piece of silverware possible. So please listen to what the club and the majority of supporters are saying. You say we have a "supposedly brilliant manager". Why the animosity and negativity, why can't you wait and see and then judge him by what he achieves? It is obvious to all, that the club are trying everything to entice back the fans. The manager will try to compete on the pitch with smaller resources and against a backdrop of a ground only 3 quarters full. Most Villa fans feel that if any man, given time can deliver results against these odds then M'ON is that man. Then when we are competing, and the 'returns are there', then and only then will the Villa dynasty really begin to take shape and the 'full house' signs go up every single week. So whilst it is right for all fans to be able to voice their opinion, mine is that you are a product of the Ellis years and that you unwittingly are the 'enemy within'. UTV
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02/11/2006 09:44:00

You're obviously perfectly entitled to your views and feelings avfc48, but personally I find your observations of a very negative nature. I cant quite understand why you are viewing the current Villa Park scenario in the way that you are. It seems as if you have an inner fear of the 'what if, what if' outlook. We're all aware of the pitfalls and set backs that could be out there hiding in some dark corner for us, but you cant go through life thinking that way. Think positive. The feelings that you put out are very often returned to you, and looking more on the bright side may well prove to be something that very much appeals to you.
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02/11/2006 19:30:00

voth, glensider unfortunately there are people out there who thrive on negative emotions, it makes them feel better, and maybe they have had so much sh*t in their lives that they use that as a self defence mechanism, if you expect nothing then you can not be let down! on the other hand some people just like to invoke a reaction whatever it may be, maybe he sits there thinking of ways to try and wind people up, and if so he is getting exactly the feedback he needs and thrives upon, sad, but true. If a persons sole purpose in life is to wallow in their own sh*t and that makes life bearable then that is what they will do, and no matter how many well meaning people try to help and give someone a boost of positivity, that will be seen as a weakness, delivered by someone on prozac, living in cloud cuckoo land. pass the pills. UTV
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03/11/2006 13:32:00


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