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Villa - 3 Simple Signings

With plenty of talk already about transfer expectations its obvious even the Messiah has no real idea what he will be given to spend or whether he's confident he'll be able to bring in the sort of player he wants as he says they might be involved in Europe and not too keen to come to a failing Midland club until the summer.

Wise words. he knows much more than he's letting on of course and is continuing to play down expectations of most fans.

Personally his past record at Villa is more than enough to suggest his ideas on suitable choices is 'old fashioned' and a careful analysis of both his tactics and purchases past and present suggest much the same.

Petrov he bought as a promising kid and grew with him. When he departed from Celtic Petrov stayed but much of his form departed too. He joins Villa in a blaze of glory against West Ham, and has gone backwards, both in team position and form since.

Sutton is an atypical O'Neill transfer, a quality player with a dodgy past on and off the field, who he puts faith in and turns into something like the talent he is. Since O'Neill left Celtic, he's not uprooted many trees and moved to Blues where after a few decent looking performances he gets 'injured'. On the ropes again O'Neill snaps him up, and with the shortage of players, having allowed, Phillips, DLC and others to go, it could be a decent short term idea. So far he still looks overweight, under fit and far from able to offer anything useful. He does of course enable O'Neill to play his favourite system, personally I'm not that impressed.
Lastly we have Agathe, another unknown turned into a demon right midfield/fullback at Celtic whose speed bailed their defence out repeatedly and whose crossing ability enabled a big heavy centre forward to bruise his way to plenty of goals.

Since O'Neill left he's gone backwards and his few performances since joining Villa haven't shown much sign he's got much in the locker to open Premiership defences, even poor ones as Fulham's left side was, its early yet of course but the indications look poor.

We are short on talent, past the basic 15 team members, my expectation for January isn't as high as some, O'Neill's latest comments on Sky support this, he's certainly not giving the impression that he sees it likely that the real talent we need to push on will be his bag.

My real problem here is, that to do with the available talent, or his reticence to buy the sort of player the modern successful team needs. There are only so many ex Celtic players left and whilst it can be a good policy to buy out of favour players and inspire them, that policy is very limited.

Its good for teams aiming for mid table security, but for teams looking to break free from the Ellis years, no way.

We'll see.

By AVFC48




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Date:Tuesday October 24 2006

Time: 8:31PM

Your Comments

""break free from the Ellis years"" this I feel has already been done by the club and more Importantly by the Supporters.
col8
No Villa haven't The residue of the Ellis years is still there and will take some time to be fully purged, sadly. The small squad alone is testament to that, to say nothing of the quality level within it
avfc48
there is bound to be residue from the ellis years, it was years worth of stuff! and you know that vibrations hang around, seep into the walls, deadly leaving his spray in dark corners. but! the change has begun, and come january it will progress further. the celtic signings have bothered me somewhat, and maybe aside from petrov they are like band-aids, short term remedies.
leftfoot
im not sure what you were expecting....o'neal joined with two weeks to go in the transfer mkt and a takeover in progress therfour no matter how much you paint over it, financial restrictions and timescale worked against any real impact in the transfer mkt.signing petrov was a good move as a long term investment and to say that hes gone backwards is correct but only in that hes been filling the void left by gavin in the holding role therefour stifling his forward play.sutton and agathe are there to make up the numbers in a very small squad.when o'neal talks about january being a poor time to buy due to players not wanting to leave clubs due to european competition is surely a good thing...how many champions league and uefa cup teams are playing in the lower divisions? its a marathon not a sprint, be patient
JASON
i reckon we were extremely lucky to get those 3 players, if thay can provide cover for the rest oif the season fora few games then so beit.
son_of_cher
I think it is going to be fascinating when the Jan transfer window opens and more importantly perhaps the summer transfer window, to see exactly the sort of players that MON will target. If we get the mix right of established stars as well as the best of the young up and coming young players to build for the future, we'll be back up there and competing. I think Agathe was worth a punt as he is short term (until Jan) and does give an extra body and Sutton coming made sense, he has the experience and again can tide us over. No reason at all why he can't wade in with a few goals this season and pass on some of his experience to the younger players in the team.
The Fear
Thats more like it avfc48 a good old fashioned dose of pessimism, THAT is what Ellis left us, the chosen one picked up a team that had failed to produce hardly any decent football last season, with no time to get to know the players and no money, club structure in turmoil, and what has he done with what he had??? well, unbeaten in how many?? some scrappy results, some poor games, some acquisitions that raise a few eyebrows, but the results speak for themselves, the cohesion of the team is fantastic, a never say die attitude (most the time) and a fantastic catch in Petrov who has the makings of a Villa legend, being a villan has always been a rollercoaster of emotion and results, only difference is that under MON the rollercoaster has more ups than downs, and me?? a happy optimistic villan, UTV
steff_the_villan
Hail the Messiah steff, praise be the untouchable, all is well in the land of fairies and prozac poppers. In reality we are just managing to get bye, most, including O'Neill, see we have been awful including a poor performance against a mid table Championship side with 8 first choice playerrs out. Lerner has as yet not promised a penny in January or even in the summer, the last we heard he was reviewing the accounts to see what could be done. I'm sure he will finance some transfers, but on O'Neill's past record, some dreamers are in for a big surprise.
avfc48
avfc48 if you dont like the current state of the club how do you think it can (could have been) improved??
andrew144
The fickleness of you Villa fans never ceases to amaze me and AVFC48 typifies that. You all need to stop living in the past and get a grip on reality. Yes Ellis was the worst thing that has ever happened to Villa... the success on the pitch whilst he was in charge is testament to that. Yet, you can't keep harping on back to how we are a great Club because we won the European Cup. That was a fantastic achievement and one we can hopefully achieve again, but we can’t as a Club and as a set of fans keep looking back at our past and saying we won the top honour in Europe so deserve to be one of the best Clubs in England… it doesn’t work like that. As a fan you are there for the good and unfortunately the bad. You still hear people in terraces moaning at poor performances against “smaller” clubs because they expect Villa to beat them because we once won the European Cup. That’s a nonsense, it was over 20 years ago now. Yes, we have been shackled by a dinosaur in the form of Ellis but we have now been released from those shackles and given a new future. Look to the future and what that can bring instead of the past and what you expect. The performances on the pitch will not change overnight or even over a season. Look at Man U as a classic example. They did not win the league for 26 years and Fergie was probably within a few months of getting the sack for lack of success. The club stuck with him and have never looked back. Villa has the same opportunity now to try and emulate that success on and off the pitch. We have a manager who can deliver the success on the pitch and an owner who can make us commercially a huge Club globally but this will not happen overnight. You fickle fans must see that and look further than the next game but 3 or 4 years into the future. All the stay away fans need to get back to the Club and start supporting the team. We need to start filling the ground out and giving an atmosphere we only seem to get from our away fans nowadays. The future is bright, the past is just that.
Hoss The Villain
There is no way that all fans will agree on everything. That is a simple fact. However the easiest thing to be, is a critic when you do not offer alternatives. avfc48 you may say your views are one of a realist, but your facetious attitude is certainly not productive. You come across as a typical product/relic of the Ellis years, tainted with apathy and negativity. You are entitled to your views. But instead of just spouting negative drivel and doom and gloom, why not share your wisdom with us. Would you have been happy to continue with Ellis? Are you happy with the O'Neil appointment? If not who would you have had? In the time he has had what players would you have bought? You critisise Agathe for failing to impress against a 'poor' Fulham defence. Chelsea, despite spending a billion trillion pounds were still beaten by Middsbro, who are worse off than Fulham, should indicate that no player or team has a divine right to win. You are not impressed by Sutton!!! What planet are you on? He has had 20 minutes of Premier League football for you to base this decision on. And if you were there last night against Leicester, you will have seen that other than his first 10 minutes, it was his intelligent holding up and use of the ball that was the focus of everything good the Villa did. You say dreamers are in for a big surprise where January is concerned!! What do you mean by this? I do not think fans have visions of spending money on the likes of Ronadinho. But I think that a strategy of buying round pegs for round holes (like a certain Mr Ron Saunders did) is where M'ONs strength lies. So avfc48, please offer your solutions not just doom and gloom. Critisism is welcome as long as it is constructive not destructive. Part of supporting a football club is having dreams and ambitions, so if your intention is just to try and knock these out of people, please don't. UTV
voiceoftheholte
WELL SAID VOICEOFTHEHOLTE
JASON
What I'm enjoying is the fact we are just at the start of the 'new adventure' and despite the fact not all our displays have been mind blowing, we are picking up points with largely the same team as last year. I think that shows what a good manager can do as DOL very nearly took us down with the same. Ok, he had injury problems but then, we've not had Jlloyd, Moore, Bouma, Berger, Delaney etc this season.


I do like a quote I've put in the random quotes sectioin of the forum though 'don't laugh at peoples dreams because those who don't have dreams don't have much'.
The Fear
Increduluos is a word i don't use often but some of the above comments plainly make me feel it! Petrov is the midfield dynamo that we always needed. A kind of McCann with the ability to pass. Agathe plainly needs fitness as does Sutton but all 3 have improved the squad (at least until Milner comes back) and we buy a top striker too. Ellis has gone (Allelujah) and so has the worst manager in recent memory. O'Neill will be very patient and get the players that he thinks can do the job that he wants. You will see Villa performances which are not pretty every week and will qualify for Europe as regularly as we used to. Oh ye of little faith get back in your boxes and please don't go to the games and whinge behind me all match!
bassettmax
It would appear that my response to avfc48 has vanished, I thought my comments were fair Jon, don't you?? they were certainly heart felt, Lol. UTV
steff_the_villan
Jeez, you're one pessimistic individual avfc48. Its early days in the revolution. Enjoy. Things will get a lot better than we've known or experienced in years. Why so miserable?
glensider
 

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