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Following the headlines: We Have Had Enough , Villa Fans Urging Ellis To Resign , Ellis Under Pressure

Doug Ellis is the major shareholder of Aston Villa plc and even if he quit as chairman this afternoon it's not going to alter the fact that he's still the major shareholder.

Of course it would make a difference. NO, he doesn't have to sell. What he does with HIS shareholding is his business and his alone. BUT the remaining board members could remove him from his 'I do everything' board status or he could step aside and appoint modern day business people. He did hire one in the name of Bruce Langham, but he started to get things done and upset the apple cart and that will never do.

Do I really need to point at Tottenham Hotspur? Alan Sugar is still the major shareholder but stepped aside after the hassle he got from their fans. Now they are going places, have just announced a major £34million shirt sponsorship deal and have Puma manufacturing their kits for next season. Us? We've got a company no one has heard of with a glorified affiliate deal and a couple of million over how many years? We've also got a tin pot shirt manufacturer called Hummell.

Sure, he's acting as CEO and CFO as well as Chairman but the man has hired Rothschild to find a new buyer and other than donate his shares to charity or me, there's not a lot more the man can do.

He could have kept to his word of never allowing a majority shareholder or single person to run the club again? He could have run us correctly and not brought the club to it's knees? He could have - in the 37 years he boasts he's been involved - at least had some sort of business plan. He could have arrived at where we should be (or kept us where we were) instead of telling us we are yet again in transition and that we need to 'bear with him'. How much longer does he need?

His latest statement, released today, gives a bit more hope, but does fly in the face of what others have been saying with reference to the unrealistic value he has set (that isn't me saying the valuation is too high, I've not seen the books so couldn't comment!). BUT as Graham Taylor said last week, Doug only has himself to blame for not getting a proper hand over plan sorted many years ago.

He's signalled his desire to sell up after years of pressure and now even after he's done that we're still asking him to do something which is almost impossible.

But also that he doesn't want this that or the other. That he does want guarantees that money will go into the team and potential investors would also have to find money for Bodymoor. That is the squad that Doug has allowed to be stretched to breaking point and the training ground that Ellis helped build then allowed to rot. Even a few seasons ago he was telling anyone who would listen that it was state of the art whilst the managers were moaning that it was the state of the ARC.

Everyone agrees that a change is needed but to continue harassing the man after he's said he wants to sell and three seasons after giving the manager more than £20mn. is not right. It is because of David O'Leary we found ourselves battling relegation this season not Ellis.

Harassing an old man? Sorry, you put yourself in the position of being a Chairman of a PLC, sorry that should read a very very poor chairman of a plc, and you have to take the flak. That is no different for any businessman. Why didn't he move over and allow Bruce to really do the business a few years ago? I for one was starting to take a backward step in the idea of protests, I'd even started to think the fans in some form would be able to work with the club and I know Bruce was very keen on that as well.

I get slated in some areas for what I've done press wise. So shall I turn around and say it is no good harassing me because I'm in poor health? Doesn't wash does it? If I'm not fit enough to do what I've done, I'd have no one but myself to blame for sticking my head above the parapet. Ditto Ellis, only he has over £8.5million in rewards, is sitting on around £20million (his valuation) in shares and enjoys a healthy salary.

He explained himself the other day why he was still involved. 'It is me, it is my baby.' He can't let go. He has run the club for selfish reasons. I'm sure he would have liked success - albeit he was too short sighted to bring Brian Clough to Villa as he said there 'is only one Mr Aston Villa' failing to see the reflected glory he would get from the success that could have followed.

My opinion on Ellis has rarely been personal, I'm surprised therefore at the 'harassing' label. Sure, I fired off question after question at the AGM, but the first thing I did was say I admired the way he was fighting his illness and wished him a speedy recovery. BUT he was there, he was the chairman, in my opinion he shouldn't have been BUT if he insisted on chairing it, then he was going to get the questions. Or should we all have said, sorry Doug, you are too ill, so we won't ask you anything, see you next year?

Can't be done.

Ellis might be to blame for other things but not the poor football we see on a Saturday afternoon. The chairman wants to sell so lets just leave him to sell.

Right, O'Leary isn't my favourite manager, you know that Mr D. Didn't want him brought to the club, didn't like him before he was brought here and dislike him even more after the comments he has made this season BUT do you seriously think the board aren't even slightly to blame for a squad the size of ours? We simply can't compete with the clubs we used to compete with. Sure, we should not have been in the bottom six most of the season, but then again, with a board capable of decent management, we would have had a settled and capable manager long before O'Leary ever came AND we sure as hell would have had one who would have removed this current one from power. But they don't have the money for the compensation.

13 managers, 22 years, countless players citing a lack of ambition. 2 League Cups. All everyone else's fault? I don't think so.

I could put my apartment up for sale for £300 000 tomorrow and be desperate to sell it. I never would though. I'd know full well why and so, I think, does Doug. The hardest thing to do in life is to admit when things have gone too far and you admit you've got to let go. BUT we all have to do it.

It's time O'Leary left and it's time that pressure was put on Doug Ellis to get rid of him before it's too late.

And Doug does such a good job of bringing in the right managers? And the few times he has he has done such a great job of keeping hold of them? David O'Leary is a problem, but he rates as the least of them in my eyes.

I've said before, if O'Leary leaves (and I do hope he will - but fear very much he won't) I'd do a merry Irish jig for 24 hours. If and when Ellis goes I'll rave for frigging weeks my friend!!!




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Date:Monday May 15 2006

Time: 4:27PM

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Your opinions count - are you with the shareholders or against them .... Me as a life long Villa fan want him out, due to the following: - What a sad, heart breaking & worst of all true statement of affairs at our beloved Aston Villa FC. Instead of beefing it with the likes of Arsenal, Tottenham & Everton of this world we are languishing towards the bottom of the table. ~~~~~~~ I for one do not see any pride in being the biggest & best team in the midlands (do we get millions of pounds from the FA for it ? do we heck ! ) pride would be being one of, if not the best in the country. Although a lot of outsiders moan how we go on about our history the likes of Man Utd & Arsenal were in a similar situation up to the end of the 80’s & beginning of the 90’s – apart from the occasional league title each & FA Cup successes these 2 did not have much to boast about from the late 60’s ( 1968 European Cup for Man Utd & the Double for Arsenal in 1971 ). ~~~~~~~ These 2 teams built on these achievements & now have established themselves as 2 of the countries best & most successful teams. That man (?) Douglas Ellis has shackled us for far too long & now him & his puppets must go. We, Aston Villa FC were up until the late 1920’s the most successful football team (name) in the world… Is it not ironic that DE was born around then, this period also ushered in the end of our dominance of English football. ~~~~~~~ A thing I remember seeing on 606 message board sometime ago read “Aston Villa are just a big a club as Liverpool – the only difference is they do not realise it!” – this statement was made by a departing Dean Saunders, wow if that was not a wake up call to the board what will be !!!!!!! ~~~~~~~ I am sick to the bones about our demise over the past 4 / 5 season in particular – for a team that was runners up in the inaugural year of the premiership & also 3 seasons prior to that – why did not the board realise that Aston Villa can once again that hen that lays a golden egg. Having the likes of Wigan, Fulham, Charlton, Man City etc finishing above us is so demoralising. ~~~~~~~ We really need to make a stand & let Ellis know that he is suffocating this once great club – he is no longer benefiting us & has no clout or influence in order to get key people in the same applies to David O “dearly me its not my fault” learly” – this man does not have the ability to encourage a drunk suicidal maniac to tot themselves let alone take a top team in the top tier of the worlds’ best football team forward… so how is he going to get major names into Villa & more importantly influence his current squad. He has so undermined the confidence of our players that I say IF he is a MAN he should realise that he is not wanted at Villa anymore + IF he is a MAN & has any pride as a man he should forsake any financial stipulations in his contact & walk away by acknowledging the fact that he failed to bring success back to a giant of a club !!!!!! ~~~~~~~ FACT – we have an excellent breed of youngsters FACT – each has the ability in the future to bring success to the club FACT – we are the 4th most successful team in English football FACT – we are more than capable of filling our stadium FACT – if ellis stays we are likely to go down FACT – if o’learly stays we WILL go down Up The Villa !!!!!!!
aston_aulak
Your opinions count - are you with the shareholders or against them .... Me as a life long Villa fan want him out, due to the following: - What a sad, heart breaking & worst of all true statement of affairs at our beloved Aston Villa FC. Instead of beefing it with the likes of Arsenal, Tottenham & Everton of this world we are languishing towards the bottom of the table. ~~~~~~~ I for one do not see any pride in being the biggest & best team in the midlands (do we get millions of pounds from the FA for it ? do we heck ! ) pride would be being one of, if not the best in the country. Although a lot of outsiders moan how we go on about our history the likes of Man Utd & Arsenal were in a similar situation up to the end of the 80’s & beginning of the 90’s – apart from the occasional league title each & FA Cup successes these 2 did not have much to boast about from the late 60’s ( 1968 European Cup for Man Utd & the Double for Arsenal in 1971 ). ~~~~~~~ These 2 teams built on these achievements & now have established themselves as 2 of the countries best & most successful teams. That man (?) Douglas Ellis has shackled us for far too long & now him & his puppets must go. We, Aston Villa FC were up until the late 1920’s the most successful football team (name) in the world… Is it not ironic that DE was born around then, this period also ushered in the end of our dominance of English football. ~~~~~~~ A thing I remember seeing on 606 message board sometime ago read “Aston Villa are just a big a club as Liverpool – the only difference is they do not realise it!” – this statement was made by a departing Dean Saunders, wow if that was not a wake up call to the board what will be !!!!!!! ~~~~~~~ I am sick to the bones about our demise over the past 4 / 5 season in particular – for a team that was runners up in the inaugural year of the premiership & also 3 seasons prior to that – why did not the board realise that Aston Villa can once again that hen that lays a golden egg. Having the likes of Wigan, Fulham, Charlton, Man City etc finishing above us is so demoralising. ~~~~~~~ We really need to make a stand & let Ellis know that he is suffocating this once great club – he is no longer benefiting us & has no clout or influence in order to get key people in the same applies to David O “dearly me its not my fault” learly” – this man does not have the ability to encourage a drunk suicidal maniac to tot themselves let alone take a top team in the top tier of the worlds’ best football team forward… so how is he going to get major names into Villa & more importantly influence his current squad. He has so undermined the confidence of our players that I say IF he is a MAN he should realise that he is not wanted at Villa anymore + IF he is a MAN & has any pride as a man he should forsake any financial stipulations in his contact & walk away by acknowledging the fact that he failed to bring success back to a giant of a club !!!!!! ~~~~~~~ FACT – we have an excellent breed of youngsters FACT – each has the ability in the future to bring success to the club FACT – we are the 4th most successful team in English football FACT – we are more than capable of filling our stadium FACT – if ellis stays we are likely to go down FACT – if o’learly stays we WILL go down Up The Villa !!!!!!!
aston_aulak
There seems to be more to this than meets the eye. The 'Blog' seems determined at any cost to rid the club of O'Leary, I'm no fan but Ellis is the real reason for our problem, O'Leary just a nodding dog. 'Harrasing' Ellis? - difficult questions, peaceful protests? When has he ever been in danger?
LeoTheLion
There seems to be more to this than meets the eye. The 'Blog' seems determined at any cost to rid the club of O'Leary, I'm no fan but Ellis is the real reason for our problem, O'Leary just a nodding dog. 'Harrasing' Ellis? - difficult questions, peaceful protests? When has he ever been in danger?
LeoTheLion
Never in danger and when it has been suggested a few times to me that things should get nasty I've said I won't be involved. It is how swales etc met their ends but it isn't for me that stuff.
The Fear
Never in danger and when it has been suggested a few times to me that things should get nasty I've said I won't be involved. It is how swales etc met their ends but it isn't for me that stuff.
The Fear
Good comments aston_aulak, you can come back!!
The Fear
Good comments aston_aulak, you can come back!!
The Fear
being 4th in winning stakes means sod all
crosswesleyanchapel
being 4th in winning stakes means sod all
crosswesleyanchapel
 

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